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		<title>By: greenwhite (Green & White)</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2010/02/15/hr-issues-limiting-growth-of-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-180327</link>
		<dc:creator>greenwhite (Green & White)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New blog post: HR Issues Limiting Growth of startups http://greenwhite.org/2010/02/15/hr-issues-limiting-growth-of-startups/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New blog post: HR Issues Limiting Growth of startups <a href="http://greenwhite.org/2010/02/15/hr-issues-limiting-growth-of-startups/" rel="nofollow">http://greenwhite.org/2010/02/15/hr-issues-limiting-growth-of-startups/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Qazi</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2010/02/15/hr-issues-limiting-growth-of-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-176711</link>
		<dc:creator>Qazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adil, I agree we wont be able to pin point a specific cause and remedy for it but discussing what other CEOs do would help ones who have to go through this experience</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adil, I agree we wont be able to pin point a specific cause and remedy for it but discussing what other CEOs do would help ones who have to go through this experience</p>
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		<title>By: Green White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Green White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great feedback Ali, I agree we wont be able to change the attitudes our organizations need to have a robust system in which some one coming in or going out should not disrupt daily activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great feedback Ali, I agree we wont be able to change the attitudes our organizations need to have a robust system in which some one coming in or going out should not disrupt daily activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 13:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qazi, short answer: I don&#039;t think there is any solution. 

In our case, PMs/ex team members/team leads - everyone has tried to attract other team members to their new organizations. In fact, PMs would do it more to show their loyalty to the new organization and also because they know who is better amongst the team members plus their salary packages. In one some people left for the other organization (from 35 - 45k jump) and asked to join us again (demanding 55k of salary :)). 

A founder&#039;s job is to keep optimizing hiring, sales, accounts, ops, production, delivery processes - just because people jump the ship, or clients jump the ship or a product fails should not make the organization go 10 steps back. Easier said than done - and that is why some organizations grow and proposer and others shut down while a lot more seem like always struggling.

There is no silver bullet though one easy solution could be to invest in a good HR guy who can handle hiring as well as other HR related issues as soon as the founders can afford it. This is quite necessary in our part of the work where people expect more than 25% of salary jumps yr-on-yr, jump a lot within the industry and the overall resource pool size isnt too big either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qazi, short answer: I don&#8217;t think there is any solution. </p>
<p>In our case, PMs/ex team members/team leads &#8211; everyone has tried to attract other team members to their new organizations. In fact, PMs would do it more to show their loyalty to the new organization and also because they know who is better amongst the team members plus their salary packages. In one some people left for the other organization (from 35 &#8211; 45k jump) and asked to join us again (demanding 55k of salary <img src='http://greenwhite.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). </p>
<p>A founder&#8217;s job is to keep optimizing hiring, sales, accounts, ops, production, delivery processes &#8211; just because people jump the ship, or clients jump the ship or a product fails should not make the organization go 10 steps back. Easier said than done &#8211; and that is why some organizations grow and proposer and others shut down while a lot more seem like always struggling.</p>
<p>There is no silver bullet though one easy solution could be to invest in a good HR guy who can handle hiring as well as other HR related issues as soon as the founders can afford it. This is quite necessary in our part of the work where people expect more than 25% of salary jumps yr-on-yr, jump a lot within the industry and the overall resource pool size isnt too big either.</p>
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		<title>By: Adil Muhammad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adil Muhammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qazi,

Thanks for defining what startup means in context of Pakistan, and sorry if my comment was suggesting that setting up service based company has no risk. So i would like to correct this perception, my whole point was that there is less RISK in service company as compared to product based company.

Now coming towards your actual post, well i really dont know why this happen but i believe it may have to do with our culture (including working culture). Unless someone do proper study on that, its very hard to say anything for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qazi,</p>
<p>Thanks for defining what startup means in context of Pakistan, and sorry if my comment was suggesting that setting up service based company has no risk. So i would like to correct this perception, my whole point was that there is less RISK in service company as compared to product based company.</p>
<p>Now coming towards your actual post, well i really dont know why this happen but i believe it may have to do with our culture (including working culture). Unless someone do proper study on that, its very hard to say anything for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Qazi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adil, 
First Regarding the definition of a startup my definition (and you can choose to disagree) would be a company which is in its early years just turned cash positive (And services companies take time to do that too) have a small management team to see all aspects of organization (the founders doing Hr, Accounts, Business Development etc).

Second regarding the myth that setting a service company is easy without any risk i sort of disagree with it (again my opinion) For some one settled in a job to get away from the monthly pay check to an uncertain environment where clients give hard time and employees on the other I guess its still a risk, and testament to that is a lot of big service companies going out (Remember CresSoft) so the risk is very much there what ever you are doing.

And again the risk factor is same for every one i agree its a bit more for Pakistanis but westerners also have to support and feed their families, And even here we have seen people jumping the ship and trying to steer their own small rafts so limitation on each individual is a boundary which he creates for himself.

And again the focus of the post is not to ask people to stick to their own jobs for indefinite period in startups I am just trying to explore ways in which the Startup can minimize the damage</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adil,<br />
First Regarding the definition of a startup my definition (and you can choose to disagree) would be a company which is in its early years just turned cash positive (And services companies take time to do that too) have a small management team to see all aspects of organization (the founders doing Hr, Accounts, Business Development etc).</p>
<p>Second regarding the myth that setting a service company is easy without any risk i sort of disagree with it (again my opinion) For some one settled in a job to get away from the monthly pay check to an uncertain environment where clients give hard time and employees on the other I guess its still a risk, and testament to that is a lot of big service companies going out (Remember CresSoft) so the risk is very much there what ever you are doing.</p>
<p>And again the risk factor is same for every one i agree its a bit more for Pakistanis but westerners also have to support and feed their families, And even here we have seen people jumping the ship and trying to steer their own small rafts so limitation on each individual is a boundary which he creates for himself.</p>
<p>And again the focus of the post is not to ask people to stick to their own jobs for indefinite period in startups I am just trying to explore ways in which the Startup can minimize the damage</p>
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		<title>By: Adil Muhammad</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2010/02/15/hr-issues-limiting-growth-of-startups/comment-page-1/#comment-175289</link>
		<dc:creator>Adil Muhammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Qazi, can you please define startup in context of PAK? Because sometime I wonder if PAK has any startups? I mean most of companies here are services based and rarely any one make product, so they need very little chance of failure as compared to a startup which is making product plus they need little investment.

So if you can define it for your readers, that may help them to answer.

On a general note:

* People here only work for money, i am not saying people in US or UK dont work for money, but in PAK, things are quite different, because you have too much responsibility, so you can&#039;t risk your life in startups, which can fail anytime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Qazi, can you please define startup in context of PAK? Because sometime I wonder if PAK has any startups? I mean most of companies here are services based and rarely any one make product, so they need very little chance of failure as compared to a startup which is making product plus they need little investment.</p>
<p>So if you can define it for your readers, that may help them to answer.</p>
<p>On a general note:</p>
<p>* People here only work for money, i am not saying people in US or UK dont work for money, but in PAK, things are quite different, because you have too much responsibility, so you can&#8217;t risk your life in startups, which can fail anytime.</p>
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		<title>By: qaziatiq (Qazi Atiq)</title>
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		<dc:creator>qaziatiq (Qazi Atiq)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: greenwhite (Green & White)</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenwhite (Green & White)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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