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	<title>Comments on: ATP sells its soul &#8211; Rozee launches Campus Career Portals initiative based on ICT R&amp;D Fund money</title>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14228</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>itiberius - I&#039;m moderating comments with ludacrious suggestions of corruption - or generally anything unobjective, even if its against Rozee or someone else.

Anyone&#039;s opinions about the Article itself is intact. 

Please know the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>itiberius &#8211; I&#8217;m moderating comments with ludacrious suggestions of corruption &#8211; or generally anything unobjective, even if its against Rozee or someone else.</p>
<p>Anyone&#8217;s opinions about the Article itself is intact. </p>
<p>Please know the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: itiberius gracchus</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14227</link>
		<dc:creator>itiberius gracchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey usama dude why are you taking out posts that are critical of your article?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey usama dude why are you taking out posts that are critical of your article?</p>
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		<title>By: Kamran</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14225</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osama, 

Most of the comments made against you were made by nameless people. If they are really so sure, then why didn&#039;t they use their own names? 

Second, a request, let them have their say. They have a right to their opinion, whatever it maybe. 

Finally, for the record, my full name is Kamran Niazi, I work as a Financial Analyst at a Non Profit (www.asf.org.pk). If I sound like Osama, then I cannot help it, that is the way, I write.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osama, </p>
<p>Most of the comments made against you were made by nameless people. If they are really so sure, then why didn&#8217;t they use their own names? </p>
<p>Second, a request, let them have their say. They have a right to their opinion, whatever it maybe. </p>
<p>Finally, for the record, my full name is Kamran Niazi, I work as a Financial Analyst at a Non Profit (www.asf.org.pk). If I sound like Osama, then I cannot help it, that is the way, I write.</p>
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		<title>By: Whistle-blower</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14222</link>
		<dc:creator>Whistle-blower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: I am still waiting for you provide evidence (IP Addresses etc) for your claims that I am or anyone else is a Rozee employee and we are &quot;trolling&quot; here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: I am still waiting for you provide evidence (IP Addresses etc) for your claims that I am or anyone else is a Rozee employee and we are &#8220;trolling&#8221; here.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14220</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mudassar: good points - I respect your disagreement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mudassar: good points &#8211; I respect your disagreement</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14219</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the record - I make enough as a consultant to have run GnW without sponsors for over a year. Money isnt an incentive to get up in the morning or do anything for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the record &#8211; I make enough as a consultant to have run GnW without sponsors for over a year. Money isnt an incentive to get up in the morning or do anything for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Asif</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14218</link>
		<dc:creator>Asif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No i&#039;m not Asif from BrightSpyre.

The project might be technically sound. However as I mentioned the process in my opinion is wrong.

Company X has operations through-out pakistan, its a SME that does a revenue of 16 million PKR a year. The SME is in expansion mode and constantly opening new businesses.

The CEO of the company is already quite busy in setting up and moving his company forward. 

He needs more manpower, marketing managers, brand managers, software engineers etc. 

He places an ad on Rozee.pk for all three positions. He gets over 300 e-mails. The CEO has to go through 300 e-mails. Rozee.pk has no verification system in place whether the candidate is actually qualified or not. No background checks, nada. 

If the powers in powere were interested in helping universities help their students land good jobs, they should have and again this is my opinion opened or funded HR agencies that support the industry, interview the candidate and forward them directly to the company they feel the candidate is best suited for.

12.9 million PKR is a lot of money, will that 12.9 million pkr actually help the students in finding the right jobs. Is that 12.9 million the most efficient way to bridge the gap between the universities &amp; the industry? That is the question one must ask oneself.

So the question is not about technology, its the &quot;investment&quot; that was made. Rozee by itself might be fantastic, but is it right for the industry. 

Osama is entitled to his own opinion and his own analysis. This might not represent everyone&#039;s views but it represents his view and his sites perspective. Not everything is about grudes, revenge. There are some great articles here, however not everyone finds them great. &quot;opinion&quot; is the key word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No i&#8217;m not Asif from BrightSpyre.</p>
<p>The project might be technically sound. However as I mentioned the process in my opinion is wrong.</p>
<p>Company X has operations through-out pakistan, its a SME that does a revenue of 16 million PKR a year. The SME is in expansion mode and constantly opening new businesses.</p>
<p>The CEO of the company is already quite busy in setting up and moving his company forward. </p>
<p>He needs more manpower, marketing managers, brand managers, software engineers etc. </p>
<p>He places an ad on Rozee.pk for all three positions. He gets over 300 e-mails. The CEO has to go through 300 e-mails. Rozee.pk has no verification system in place whether the candidate is actually qualified or not. No background checks, nada. </p>
<p>If the powers in powere were interested in helping universities help their students land good jobs, they should have and again this is my opinion opened or funded HR agencies that support the industry, interview the candidate and forward them directly to the company they feel the candidate is best suited for.</p>
<p>12.9 million PKR is a lot of money, will that 12.9 million pkr actually help the students in finding the right jobs. Is that 12.9 million the most efficient way to bridge the gap between the universities &amp; the industry? That is the question one must ask oneself.</p>
<p>So the question is not about technology, its the &#8220;investment&#8221; that was made. Rozee by itself might be fantastic, but is it right for the industry. </p>
<p>Osama is entitled to his own opinion and his own analysis. This might not represent everyone&#8217;s views but it represents his view and his sites perspective. Not everything is about grudes, revenge. There are some great articles here, however not everyone finds them great. &#8220;opinion&#8221; is the key word.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14217</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, this ludacrous suggestion that I take money for my stories is getting out of line. 

This is infact the definition of trolling which is a personal attack on someone else&#039;s reputation by suggesting he&#039;s corrupt - you&#039;re using my name here.

Our sponsors are Intel, Symantec, Neilsens, Zigron, Clickclick ones (lums, nestle etc.) and I dont see any conflict of interest there.

I&#039;m going to start moderating anyone suggesting that again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, this ludacrous suggestion that I take money for my stories is getting out of line. </p>
<p>This is infact the definition of trolling which is a personal attack on someone else&#8217;s reputation by suggesting he&#8217;s corrupt &#8211; you&#8217;re using my name here.</p>
<p>Our sponsors are Intel, Symantec, Neilsens, Zigron, Clickclick ones (lums, nestle etc.) and I dont see any conflict of interest there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to start moderating anyone suggesting that again.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamran</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14216</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, 

If 12.19 Million Rs and 85 Universities figure is correct, then it comes to 143,412 Rs approx Per University. 

I would be interested in how much time &amp; money Rozee spends on each University and does the University say that, value for money was delivered? Second, how much Rozee ends up spending on each portal?

An admission, I have never met Osama or even talked to him (did exchange 5-6 emails with him, as I wanted to write a few articles on marketing). With this out in the open, I have the following comment: 
&quot;If Osama did take money to write a bad article about this initiative, then it was short term thinking. I do not believe that, any blogger, who wants respect would stoop to such low heights. How much money could Osama have charged 100K - 200K ok, make it a Million. But how much would he lose by accepting this? People in market do find out, if you are willing to sell yourself and a lot of doors are closed, which would otherwise be open&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, </p>
<p>If 12.19 Million Rs and 85 Universities figure is correct, then it comes to 143,412 Rs approx Per University. </p>
<p>I would be interested in how much time &amp; money Rozee spends on each University and does the University say that, value for money was delivered? Second, how much Rozee ends up spending on each portal?</p>
<p>An admission, I have never met Osama or even talked to him (did exchange 5-6 emails with him, as I wanted to write a few articles on marketing). With this out in the open, I have the following comment:<br />
&#8220;If Osama did take money to write a bad article about this initiative, then it was short term thinking. I do not believe that, any blogger, who wants respect would stoop to such low heights. How much money could Osama have charged 100K &#8211; 200K ok, make it a Million. But how much would he lose by accepting this? People in market do find out, if you are willing to sell yourself and a lot of doors are closed, which would otherwise be open&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: tiberius gracchus</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/blog/2008/07/14/atp-sells-its-soul-rozee-launches-campus-career-portals-initiative-based-on-ict-rd-fund-money/comment-page-1/#comment-14215</link>
		<dc:creator>tiberius gracchus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said whistle blower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said whistle blower.</p>
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