New entrants to the job-board bandwagon – RiteMoves and SparkingJobs
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Boy to say job boards are a dime a dozen would be an over-statement.
I got to find out about TWO new job boards today, both with decent advertisers (but no indication of traffic / job seekers just yet).
RiteMoves
RiteMoves is a standard job site with job packages similar to Rozee’s – free job listings, hot jobs and "featured employer" which make it to the front page. They are slightly (about 15-20%) cheaper than Rozee. In their free package, although they offer a couple of more tools, they also have some dumb restrictions, such as not being able to download more then 3 times per posting.
Their logo suggests that they also plan to be active in immigration, training and education but I see no indication of it on their site yet – maybe its just an excuse to grab whatever project they can get to keep their civics humming.
The surprising part of their story is that despite being relatively unknown, a number of employers still seemed to have bought their "featured sponsor" package, although if you ask me I could throw a wild guess and say that those employers got the package for free as part of a promotional plan. They are also putting up billboards in Lahore to promote their product
SparkingJobs
SparkingJobs I found out about via spam, which seems to be the mode of choice for "internet marketing" today – they’re offering a free job board and charging for premier services like headhunting. They are apparently headquartered in Sharjah with branch offices in Isb, Lahore and elsewhere.
They have a fairly standard "shrink-wrap an open-source job board" approach to setting something up, and seem to have a number of employers up already. Their spam messages could catch some attention though because the email is designed much like a regular "job alert" from any other site… to the unfortunate unemployed any lead on jobs is a good lead even if its from spam (isnt it "fun" that in Pakistan people can just ignore the principle or ethics of things on such simple logic?)
Problems
To be honest, both sites were exceedingly disappointing. Competing by making their services 5-10k cheaper just to reap part of the bandwagon shows an incredible lack of vision from the leadership.
There are a tonne of problems with the HR / job seeking industry of Pakistan which can easily be solved by proactive leadership – but all of our job boards are content at sitting in 1997 in terms of the breadth of their services.
I’m actually getting kind of sick of job company guys pitching themselve by saying that what sets them apart is the "domain knowledge they have of the HR industry" – heh, yea right if that were true executive searches or freelancer searches wouldnt be so much of a black art, and most of the industry wouldnt be desperate for quality coding staff.
[P.s. thanks Tayyab for the tip]
7:53 pm
Both have real poor UI. Also Bayt is very cumbersome.
I love Rozee.pk.
8:05 pm
Plocked,
The UI doesnt really matter – the problem is they arent actually doing anything to evolve the model and make it easier to find better candidates
8:07 pm
@ Plocked … i agree but looking at the wholesome idea.. i think RITEmoves has a better chance to grow and place itself among the leaders…. rozee.pk has grown out of its shell and took the necessary time to be best in the market
1:36 am
First time i got to know about Ritemoves through a big advertisement on DAWN careers page last sunday. But i don’t see any clarity of services they are offering to employers/Jobseekers; totally confusing as what exactly they are doing or what they wants to convey?
@plocked
I dun’t think bayt is cumbersome- their overall website, services, content & selling points are very organized and impressive-
p;s not impressed by rozee efforts on their website, boxes everywhere with weird vertical adv. banners on right –
also no expiry date of jobs, this mean employers will constantly be getting applications even after 2 years ven job was posted???
8:43 am
1. Compare making CV in Bayt vs. attaching CV in Rozee.
2. Try searching for a job in both, results return 800 postings and shows irrelevant posts.
Bayt is here for quite long, I think it should have ironed out the issues.
Also had not so good experience with CV coming from Mustakbil’s users.
8:47 am
@Osama
I think UI matters alot. I can find and post 20 jobs in 20 minutes and go on to do my work.
It is faster than email so it is good.
If it is cumbersome I would have been happy with emailing them.
2:12 pm
@plocked.
Let me tell what is the difference between a jobseeker who attach a CV to apply for a job and the one who applies for a job with a standard CV (requires some effort to make – cumbersome) and why 2nd one might be preferred by the employers than the first one.
Employers post a job. 500 jobseekers attach their WORD CV and send it. Employer has no easy way to find the right candidate unless he spends 1-2 weeks opening all WORD CVs. If all of them applies through their standard CV (which is cumbersome as compared to attaching a CV), employers can just find set of right candidates through a simple query. (e.g person with 2 years of work experience having a masters degree from XYZ university etc).
I believe making a cumbersome CV helps you to be found by the employers much more easily. given that making a CV is usually a one time thing (which needs an update usually 1-2 times a year)
As a jobseeker, I would prefer making a CV that will help me get noticed by the employers and not just chose an easy way (which is not very effective).
2:18 pm
@younas -
Yes i would strongly agree with you, because for employers a standard format is more comfortable rather than attached cv which has hundred of different templates with scattered info
5:13 pm
They can put edit at place using ajax. No need to go through pages and pages to edit. All the info is very regimental in Bayt. Rozee success speaks for itself.
It is hard to find people so I think job site should favor workers rather than employer. Companies should hire competent HR people who are not lazy to look through CVs.
I know a senior HR person in a large bank who scans each CV. If he can do it minions can too
5:40 pm
but don’t u think that we are talking about giving ease to employers and minimize the complexity of hiring process, because scanning cv’s is not the only task of HR people.
6:36 pm
i believe role of HR people differ from company to company. even if scanning CVs is the only role of the HR person, technology should make the work easy for them. quality and not the quantity is what matters.
if an IT manager have asked the HR guy to find a person having 2 years of experience and with a masters degree, it would be really unfair for an HR person to go through all 500 applicants CVs to shortlist the one he should refer to the IT manager. with standard CVs, he can just easily filter out the CVs of applicants who applied for the job and doesn’t qualify for the job post and can then concentrate on finding the best candidate among the pool of those who have the right skills.
@Monocoque
I believe website should favor both workers and employers. Any website that favors one and not the other is not good. I don’t who is the senior HR person who scans each CV that you are referring too. maybe he is not posting jobs on jobbards and using his company career website to hire candidates where one usually get less candidates (depends on company reputation) and its easy to scan them all.
Ask him to post a job like “software engineer” on some jobsite like rozee, bayt etc. i am sure he will receieve more than 200-300+ CVs out of which 100 of them might not fit at all with his requirements. now if he scans all CVs then really he is not doing his job and its useless. he should use the system to filter out the ones who do not deserver his time unless he has nothing else to do.
in short the point is, HR person who scans all CVs is not better than the HR person who use the system to filter out candidate. Dont think that the second HR person is not doing his job. He is just doing it efficiently.
6:28 pm
@Finding from 500 CVs. They can use Google Desktop Search.
Hiring process is not complicated especially for full time HR people. I am not an HR person but I managed the hiring process myself and for creative people. I not only sifted through tons of CV, but portfolios, their actual work and their references.
HR people should stop being lazy.
6:34 pm
@Salman
He manages HR in bank, taught me HR and he didn’t ran a search on website, he searched large pile of printed CVs. You can ask anyone in traditional industries how much CVs they get per job.
I don’t see him complain so why entry to mid level HR personnels complain?
7:06 pm
Can somebody share some “good” expereince with HR guys ? I have always heard bad about them so just want to know whether people have other expereinces with them too.
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11:08 am
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12:19 pm
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5:51 am
Nothing seems to be easier than seeing someone whom you can help but not helping.
I suggest we start giving it a try. Give love to the ones that need it.
God will appreciate it.
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