PMP Certified Engineer wanted!
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… with 0-1 years of experience!
and people then say that they can’t find suitable human resources for their organizations!? (This ad was posted on a job board by a renowned organization in Pakistan.)
Anyone who is even remotely informed of PMP certification knows that PMP’s require atleast 5 years (4500+ hours) of experience just to appear for the exam!
Recently, i was reading an article about job responses from advertisements. (Apologies for not sharing the link, simply because i didn’t bookmark it and forgot where it resides). Basically, two types of people apply for jobs, those who apply at everything printed many times unaware of what the job would actually entail. These people are evident from those who show up at job interviews and then ask ‘what is this job about again?’. The second who would, maybe because of ego or because of self doubt, only apply for something they would be suitable for, have the experience and would be help them able to make an upward career move.
The second kind of person is the one you want to interview. The unfortunate reality is, because of how jobs are drafted and sent out, its the first kind of people who usually end up applying and being interviewed. All the while, hiring managers (and senior management) are complaining that there are no good people left in the industry to hire!
To sum it up, if you want to hire good people, advertise a job such that people you would want to hire apply! Not something so generic, with so many impossible combinations of knowledge, skills and certifications (read the subject post above!) that only 0.00001% of the workforce would even qualify! Now go and draft a job ad of someone you would actually want working for you, instead of that ‘ideal’ candidate you know doesn’t exist.
7:05 pm
Hehe, recently, I saw a job ad requiring 3+ years of experience in Visual Studio 2008 and came pretty close to banging my head against the wall.
9:52 pm
lol! that is something which is becoming quite common unfortunately
especially with development studios. When asked, the HR guys at these places say, ‘when we write VS2008, we actually mean with VS in general’
what i dont get is.. why dont you the just write ‘VS’ ???!
no one has been able to answer that
3:09 am
That is simply a poor attention to detail.
9:31 am
As a conspiracy theorist, I say it is a planned attempt to turn off competent guys, so that the HR Guys can hire their nearest & dearest
11:18 am
Mansoor
Well written and so true. I’ve recently had the experience of advertising many vacancies for an Education Institution. The experience required with the qualification requirements were clearly listed in the vacancy advert. I got 92 replies for one particular vacancy of a School Administrator. Not even one of the 92 applicants had any relevant experience. Over 90% of the applicants had either Bachelors or even Masters in IT related subjects. Some with MBA’s also applied but no relevant experience.
Similarly for a vacancy of a Music Teacher, again almost everyone that applied had IT experience and qualifications. Forget teaching music experience, they had no Music experience at all. I actually re-advertised the Music Teacher position and my advert stated: “Singing in the bathroom does not qualify you to teach Music. Neither does listening to music in your spare time”. Guess what, many of the people applying to previous adverts re-applied to the new advert!
So yes you are correct, some people will apply for anything and everything, regardless.
At the same time, most of the advertisements I see in the media (Dawn Classified on Sunday, Rozee.pk, Naukrijunction etc etc), are absolutely ridiculous in what they demand of the applicants. I have seen ads requiring MBA’s from reputable institutions with many years experience but the salary offered is 10,000 to 15,000. It begs the question, do people in HR have any experience of the real world. If I have spent over 15 years learning and obtaining qualifications, especially an MBA, and then on top of that have many years experience, then why would I want to work for 10,000 to 15,000 per month. Is that the value of an MBA, especially an MBA from a reputable institution?
At this point an old saying comes to mind…. “if you pay peanuts, then you’ll get monkeys”.
I heard one of the senior CEO’s saying recently, the best jobs and the good jobs do not really get advertised. They are filled by using the “old boys network”.
One last question: Is HR a serious industry in Pakistan and do HR departments in organisations have any relevance to the real world?
11:44 am
Nice catch mansoor.
I was going through few jobs on a job portal. There was a vaccancy for a beginner’s level technical writer and the requirements alone demanded the applicant to be proficient in C#, Asp .net, .net architecture, java, VC, WAN/LAN setup basics, framemaker, robohelp, adobe indesign.
And these are just the few things I can recollect now, the list was long. I wonder what thought process on recruiter’s end prompted him to create such an advert. A resource appealer and grabber or a resource repeller?
God Knows!
1:06 pm
Technical people ask HR guys to see the CV’s and call the potential candidates. But seems like HR knows *hit about technicalities and in the end messing up all. That’s what this post sums up i think.
1:30 pm
Reply on Asma’s comments:
I’ll never ever think about even applying to such job adds (adds having a skills list like a menu card of a restaurant). They dont need an employee but a servant who can do anything for them. They want gold on the price of silver. It seems to me that they are not managers but the grooms’ mother who want her daughter-in-law to know the recipe of every food in the world.
2:34 pm
I agree fahad.
Its like eat as much pizza as you can in the Rs. 750 deal =\
7:37 pm
This is how we are different and created real content of jobs in Pakistan.
BrightSpyre has 100% paid job advertisements; that make every employer pay for the job postings and for the job seekers they are 100% sure that they are applying real jobs; not for the jobs that are only to make jobs numbers rosy.
Same kind of job is advertised on BrightSpyre and look at the difference.
1. Job Title: Project Manager- Enterprise wide IT Projects ( PMP Certified Preferred )
2. Experience: 7 to 10 years
3. Job Description: at least quarter a page of job description.
4. 9,500 paid for this job listing.
5 Result: Real job.
http://brightspyre.com/opening/detailjob.php?jid=4703
This is how BrightSpyre is unique.
100% real local Pakistani Content of Jobs.
10:06 pm
Have been burned by HR person before.
- You will start getting below average CVs.
- They will give you CV of someone they know.
- You will think this is best out there.
- You hire them.
- HR get referral bonuses.
- You get ulcers.
- Pink slip.
- Start hiring again.
10:10 pm
After HR department I have only seen things get worse esp. salary & benefits.
Once they cut holidays by a day and half and have audacity to tell we have a great package for you for your vacations. Was told like vacation days are being increased.
@!#!$@$!#@!
9:31 am
I have issues with HR Companies.
I have never / ever received a call from CV submissions, I made through a certain job site. Don’t you think in 7 YEARS of trying, I should have received at least ONE call? I get more response from newspapers Ads.
Two, some of these sites maintain job opportunities, a long time after they have expired.
Three, a lot of times, they do not submit the right people.
12:34 pm
thank you all for your valuable inputs.
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11:42 pm
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3:31 pm
heyy!! i am having queries about my career….although i am doin my O level at this stage but i am really concerned about my future….can anyone please tell me that what will i have to study after A level if i want to pursue a career in human resource? what is basically human resource all about? and is there a good scope in that department? what should our qualifications be if we want a job in the human resource departmnt? what about the average salary?
3:32 pm
heyy!! i am having queries about my career….although i am doin my O level at this stage but i am really concerned about my future….can anyone please tell me that what will i have to study after A level if i want to pursue a career in human resource? what is basically human resource all about? and is there a good scope in that department? what should our qualifications be if we want a job in the human resource departmnt? what about the average salary?
9:54 am
@marium, Human Resource is about helping an organization manage it human resources
that part was obvious it includes, hiring, handling employees issues regarding salaries benefits, shortlisting candidates participating in hiring interviews, helping the organization in hiring the best talent competing in compensation etc.
Degrees usually an MBA in HR is some thing which i have seen more common there are also people with MPA (Masters in Public Administration) in this profession, how ever you would find a lot of graduates with technical degrees also doing this stuff.
Scope for Human resources is good growth how ever might be limited except for very large MNCs others only have a couple of HR personals. starting salaries also depend on what your qualification is and where you are applying.
5:49 pm
hey .. i am a pmp civil engineer… looking for a job….
God bless … no company in pakistan cares for proper process based business…
cheers,
helloomer@gmail.com