Comments on: DPS lays off a number of people at short notice http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/ Coffee Sessions for the Industry! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:06:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Entrepreneurship vs. Labour Unions « Techlahore’s Weblog http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-4267 Entrepreneurship vs. Labour Unions « Techlahore’s Weblog Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:23:28 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-4267 [...] against entrepreneurship. It was amazing to read some of the comments Green&White got when they posted this story: (More after the [...] [...] against entrepreneurship. It was amazing to read some of the comments Green&White got when they posted this story: (More after the [...]

]]> By: schez http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2757 schez Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:01:42 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2757 Its sad, but true we as employees, do not have any sort of job cover or protection from these actions. We come under Shops and Establishment Act 1972. And some clauses of Factory Act 1934 are also applicable. Only protection we have is that if anybody wants to terminate the employment contratc, either employe or employer, have to serve one month notice or one month salary in liue of notice (sorry of if i spelled wrong). However there is the provision in this Act if an employee is terminated from employment, for any sort of reason, he shall be gievn a gratuity equivalent to his last drawn salary. But as we know, we are not given this type of gratuity at all. Second, if there comes cost reductions, business man have to do it for its survival or face the closure. Third, but what about the employees who loose thier earnings from such actions. So I think there should be some legislation or a way out that takes into account interests o fthe both parties. But the thing is, who is gonna do this. Even if go to labor court, it consumes lots of time and money, and its such courts are presuurised because these business man have links with influential people. What I think we can do is, we can form a Union. Otherwise I dont see any way out to avoid such actions. Its sad, but true we as employees, do not have any sort of job cover or protection from these actions.
We come under Shops and Establishment Act 1972. And some clauses of Factory Act 1934 are also applicable. Only protection we have is that if anybody wants to terminate the employment contratc, either employe or employer, have to serve one month notice or one month salary in liue of notice (sorry of if i spelled wrong). However there is the provision in this Act if an employee is terminated from employment, for any sort of reason, he shall be gievn a gratuity equivalent to his last drawn salary.
But as we know, we are not given this type of gratuity at all.
Second, if there comes cost reductions, business man have to do it for its survival or face the closure.
Third, but what about the employees who loose thier earnings from such actions.
So I think there should be some legislation or a way out that takes into account interests o fthe both parties.
But the thing is, who is gonna do this.
Even if go to labor court, it consumes lots of time and money, and its such courts are presuurised because these business man have links with influential people.
What I think we can do is, we can form a Union. Otherwise I dont see any way out to avoid such actions.

]]> By: Qazi http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2755 Qazi Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:42:50 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2755 Schez, thanks for clarifying every thing. we were not trying to spread a rumor, we were trying to find the facts which thanks to you are now more clear and exact. just wanted every body to know whats happening around Schez, thanks for clarifying every thing. we were not trying to spread a rumor, we were trying to find the facts which thanks to you are now more clear and exact. just wanted every body to know whats happening around

]]> By: schez http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2752 schez Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:38:02 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2752 Dear Osama & Kashif! Fact 1. I am one of the employees who have been the victim of this downsizing. Fact 2. The actual number is 45.I have forwarded this link to HR n concerned persons so that they can know also that what have they earned from this action. Fact 3. If something is labelled as rumor, is it appropriate for educated persons like us to start running rumor factory. Fact 4. THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY, AND DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DEFENDS AND REFELCTS OFFICIAL PARTR OR MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. And I am really sorry if my comments have hurt anybody. Regards Amer Dear Osama & Kashif!

Fact 1. I am one of the employees who have been the victim of this downsizing.
Fact 2. The actual number is 45.I have forwarded this link to HR n concerned persons so that they can know also that what have they earned from this action.

Fact 3. If something is labelled as rumor, is it appropriate for educated persons like us to start running rumor factory.

Fact 4. THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ONLY, AND DOES NOT IN ANY WAY DEFENDS AND REFELCTS OFFICIAL PARTR OR MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE.

And I am really sorry if my comments have hurt anybody.

Regards

Amer

]]> By: Kashif http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2659 Kashif Sat, 11 Aug 2007 19:35:57 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2659 Ian: You can post your requirements <a href="http://www.apnijobs.com" rel="nofollow"><strong>here</strong></a> Ian: You can post your requirements here

]]> By: ian amor http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2656 ian amor Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:50:54 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2656 Hello, I am building a business ideas research team in Pakistan...for a startup funded by myself. Can you suggest how i may recruit the creative types ? The work is mainly thinking and research.. Most business schools seem to remove the type of thinkers we seek..odd ball ..the different ones..... Thank you ian amor ceo testmyidea.com Hello,
I am building a business ideas research team in Pakistan…for a startup funded by myself.
Can you suggest how i may recruit the creative types ? The work is mainly thinking and research..
Most business schools seem to remove the type of thinkers we seek..odd ball ..the different
ones…..

Thank you ian amor ceo testmyidea.com

]]> By: Qazi http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2645 Qazi Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:04:06 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2645 schez. you clarified about the one hour notice period. how about the number is it 130, 30, 3? if you have read the post it is asking people to fill in the gaps about the rumor. i think we are focusing on the wrong aspect of the post we should be discussing as an industry what should we do to avoid such situations, how should the employer be stopped of doing some thing of the sort. we don't even know if they paid any dues to the employees or not. is there a clause in labor law etc (i don't know about it ) to stop a company for doing such thing or at least pay some one lets say a minimum amount proportional to his salary? if there is one then it should be invoked. but lets dissect this that what actually happened and what should be done to avoid it happening in future schez. you clarified about the one hour notice period. how about the number is it 130, 30, 3? if you have read the post it is asking people to fill in the gaps about the rumor.

i think we are focusing on the wrong aspect of the post we should be discussing as an industry what should we do to avoid such situations, how should the employer be stopped of doing some thing of the sort. we don’t even know if they paid any dues to the employees or not.
is there a clause in labor law etc (i don’t know about it ) to stop a company for doing such thing or at least pay some one lets say a minimum amount proportional to his salary? if there is one then it should be invoked.

but lets dissect this that what actually happened and what should be done to avoid it happening in future

]]> By: Kashif http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2639 Kashif Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:59:38 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2639 Osama: Hey, don't take this personally. Bloggers have to be thick skinned else they can't be bloggers :) schez: The guy already labeled it as "rumor" and not a breaking news. If you know the facts do shoot them out. However, your tone suggests you are on other side of the table. I think its a good attempt by G&W to highlight situations like this. There shouldn't be any employee exploitation and industry has to take it up unanimously if such a thing happens. I personally know about a s/w house in khi where a friend with his team was fired at hour's notice. As soon as they were back from lunch break they were told that they got 1 hour to pack up. So things happen and due to lack of industry support suckers get away with that. Osama: Hey, don’t take this personally. Bloggers have to be thick skinned else they can’t be bloggers :)

schez: The guy already labeled it as “rumor” and not a breaking news. If you know the facts do shoot them out. However, your tone suggests you are on other side of the table.

I think its a good attempt by G&W to highlight situations like this. There shouldn’t be any employee exploitation and industry has to take it up unanimously if such a thing happens.

I personally know about a s/w house in khi where a friend with his team was fired at hour’s notice. As soon as they were back from lunch break they were told that they got 1 hour to pack up. So things happen and due to lack of industry support suckers get away with that.

]]> By: Osama A. http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2637 Osama A. Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:46:31 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2637 <p>What's important is for someone to try and find out the exact number and exact terms under which this has happend. I agree with some of the other comments that 130 is just too big a number to be realistic. Even 30 is big -- it doesn't make sense for any business to do that, especially in this stability-sensitive employee market.</p> <p>Just got the internet back (thank you PTCL) so am catching up to this.</p> <p>Blogging is funny. One day people are giving "advice" on not being a journalist and presenting a perspective that will benefit companies, and another day people are giving "advice" to get fact-checkers.</p> <p>You guys have to remember that no one pays us to do this -- so unless you guys are willing to donate money so we can hire some fact-checkers etc, we will rely on the info you guys can all dig up from your contacts about things like this. We're not GEO TV -- Green & White is more a community of people figuring things out TOGETHER just because no one else is talkign about them. Atleast I'm talking about good and bad realities -- you guys can help us fill the gaps you find in our efforts.</p> <p>Let's learn to work together rather than sitting in our living rooms criticizing the "post-writer" all the time.</p> <p>In terms of relying on certain people for credible info: Lesson learnt -- if you're reading, this is the last time I trust information from you.</p> What’s important is for someone to try and find out the exact number and exact terms under which this has happend. I agree with some of the other comments that 130 is just too big a number to be realistic. Even 30 is big — it doesn’t make sense for any business to do that, especially in this stability-sensitive employee market.

Just got the internet back (thank you PTCL) so am catching up to this.

Blogging is funny. One day people are giving “advice” on not being a journalist and presenting a perspective that will benefit companies, and another day people are giving “advice” to get fact-checkers.

You guys have to remember that no one pays us to do this — so unless you guys are willing to donate money so we can hire some fact-checkers etc, we will rely on the info you guys can all dig up from your contacts about things like this. We’re not GEO TV — Green & White is more a community of people figuring things out TOGETHER just because no one else is talkign about them. Atleast I’m talking about good and bad realities — you guys can help us fill the gaps you find in our efforts.

Let’s learn to work together rather than sitting in our living rooms criticizing the “post-writer” all the time.

In terms of relying on certain people for credible info: Lesson learnt — if you’re reading, this is the last time I trust information from you.

]]> By: Kashif http://greenwhite.org/blog/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-2636 Kashif Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:52:49 +0000 http://greenwhite.org/2007/08/10/rumor-dps-lays-off-130-people-at-1-hour-notice/#comment-2636 130 people laid off? what's the total workforce there? I believe severance was paid else they can be taken to court ;) 130 people laid off? what’s the total workforce there? I believe severance was paid else they can be taken to court ;)

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