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Inov8 Ltd. has quashed rumors about the company’s financial performance, among other things. They have paid the salaries of employees working on the Mobilink Genie project though many have since left the company. They are also currently working on some new financial services products.
I recently talked to a couple of their management guys and they told me that they initially did ask the employees to leave, if they wish, as the payments for the project had been delayed. They paid the salaries after receiving those payments but during this time many employees had already left the company.
The company also dispelled rumors that it is or was facing any embargo from State Bank regarding its services. They also mentioned that they have got a good workforce strength and are currently working on many new financial services products. I asked for any new products lined up but they refused to divulge any details but did mention that they are going to launch some in near future.
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November 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
umm.. Saad doesn’t your post actually PROVE that rumors were indeed true!
“…I recently talked to a couple of their management guys and they told me that they initially did ask the employees to leave, if they wish, as the payments for the project had been delayed…. ”
A company can be very profitable, but if it doesn’t have cash - it can go bankrupt! Technically this is what Inov8 was going to be as they could not meet their financial liabilities. In fact their business model is downright unethical: keep hiring and keep delaying salaries. Inov8! If you cannot pay salaries, LAY OFF people (you are exploiting people just for “good workforce strength”.
Government needs to take action against such firms and there should be strong protections of the employees. Inov8 should be paying interest on the salaries they delayed.
Lastly, employees are “hired” as employees not as partners. They do not have to share the owners’ risk about payments. If payments are delayed, owners should take loans and pay the salaries. If they can’t afford to keep employees or pay interest over loans, just clear the liabilities and lay-off employees and operate a smaller and more efficient company.
November 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 am
well said asim .. i totally agree with you !!
November 2nd, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Nice reply Asim. It’s good to see tech workers are not ill treated as textile companies’ workers most of the time, this is a bad exception. I won’t recommend anyone to companies like Invo8.
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Actually every time i see this article, my blood boils! I am sorry Saad, but I have no idea why Osama asked you to write on G&W!
The post starts with:
“Inov8 Ltd. has quashed rumors about the company’s financial performance …”
QUASHED!!??!! please open a dictionary to see the meaning of QUASHED..
Grrrr…
Osama, please take notice!
November 3rd, 2008 at 10:57 am
Hi Asim,
the rumors floating were that innov8 is going towards bankruptcy and will be closed down or sold out. I think Saad meant they have removed those rumors and are in business.
He has admitted that they have delayed the payments and due to which some people have left the company. but we need to hear both sides of the story. they did ultimately pay out the dues if delayed. with companies facing every thing from slow business to electricity nightmares. they still went out and paid the employees even the ones who left them. we have had worse examples in our industry of companies outrightly rejecting employees dues.
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:07 am
Hi Asim… I’m looking into it - there’s inevitably going to be some period of adjustment with the high level of standards of the community.
But do let me know if you dont see if improving over time - osama@greenwhite.org
November 3rd, 2008 at 11:32 am
Hi Asim,
I appreciate your comments. FYI, quashed can be used in many connotations especially in the case of rumors, even NYT and WSJ use it frequently. Still, I would be careful in future.
GnW is an open community and everyone can contribute so you have an open invitation to start sharing your ‘valuable’ thoughts.
Saad
November 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Asim:
quash - put down by force or intimidation; “The government quashes any attempt of an uprising”; “China keeps down her dissidents very efficiently”; “The rich landowners subjugated the peasants working the land”
–
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/quashed
i suggest you dont flame people, not to mention the editor, without a bit of research.
November 3rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Hi all, sorry about the strong comments. May be ahsan is right however I understood the post to have a different meaning than the intended.
November 6th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
This should quash the rumors, this mail was sent yesterday:
“Dear All,
The salary for the month of Oct – 08 has been transferred to your respective accounts. Salary slips are available at the Accounts & Finance Department.
If there is any query, then kindly contact within two days to Accounts & Finance Department.
Thanks & Regards,
Finance Controller
Inov8 Limited”
November 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Asslam O Alaikum to All;
Well reading out the worthy Comments of all of the people I got little bit confused because i m going to Join INOV8 in a couple of months Does all these rumours are TRUE???
Anyone who is curently or was an Emloyee of INOV8 plzz let me know abt the True story…
Regards,
Shayan
November 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Shayan, there’s nothing to worry about now… things go up and down in companies and its good to see that things are looking up.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:27 am
There is a mailing thread going on at “sahics_all” yahoo group (FAST Alumni group)with the subject: “Impact of global credit crunch on IT Busineses in Pakistan” and one of the response was :
“I think Inov8 got badly impacted due to the worldwide economical disaster. It’s funding has been stopped. They have not paid salaries to the employees from last 5 months .They also terminated many of their employees without even clearing their dues. Employees and their families are suffering because of them and struggling for their dues and new jobs. One should be highly careful while joining any such company in future.”
When i confirmed this with some of the inov8 employees (old as well as currently working), i came to know that Inov8 has only paid to them who are currently working at inov8. But those who resigned or terminated by inov8 are still waiting for their salaries. The situation is still worse for those who are terminated by Inov8 without even clearing their dues. Employers are also exploiting them because they are jobless and got nothing by inov8 since after June 2008. They are forced to join at very low packages.
This is very sad for me
November 17th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Naeem you are right they have not paid the salaries and other dues of those who r no more part of Inov8. When those ex-employees ask for payments they say they dont know when to clear but they also say that they have got a loan worth in Crores and millions in terms of project signing from some one. The ex-employees are facing lot of financial issues due to these pending payments. I personally know a couple of ex-employees there who have borrowed a big money during that bad time and now they have nothing to pay that loan back as a big amount is pending on Inov8.
So Inov8 management must consider the poor condition of their ex-employees and clear their dues. If not then it wont b possible for them to servive in market for a longer period of time. Also their partners i.e. Mobilink, PTCL, SNGPL, SSGCL, LESCO, KESC, HBL, KASB, Atlas bank etc must force them to clear the dues and should not work with a company behaving in such manner with its employees.
November 18th, 2008 at 1:20 am
The mail attached by “inov8 on November 6th” is for the employees who r still there in Inov8 not for ones who r no more with Inov8. NO SALARY HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE ACCOUNTS OF EX-EMPLOYEES. This mail by Inov8 management is just to show the world that Inov8 has become an “Angel”. This is status of today that no salary has been transferred for the Ex-Employees of Inov8 and the higher management saya that they can’t say when they will transfer the dues.
November 18th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Well i don’t know the internal details, but people i Know from the company even the ones who have left have been paid their dues, again this is from the people i know, I am not sure if there are a minority out there who has not been paid.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Hi Qazi, i have reconfirmed again, Inov8 trying to call some of its Ex-employees to rejoin and says that “We will pay all of your dues only if you rejoin us”. This is nothing but clear blackmailing. Only a couple of ex-employees joined them and left again when they got their salaries. But remaining people still struggling for their dues.
Situation is worse for those who were terminated by Inov8 and NO ONE HAS BEEN PAID YET.
Another recent news for you is that 4 more employees have resigned this month including their PM.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Onething more, Qazi can you please name someone who resigned from the company or terminated by Inov8 and got his dues? Please name anybody so that other people may know him as well.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
My brother used to work for Inov8. They terminated him without clearing his dues. Its been a couple of months and Inov8 still is not paying for the previous 5 months. The only people to be blamed are the ones running the show, the duo of two cousins. All the people affected should go to Labor Court and file a case against Inov8.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I think all the infected persons should go to media (press club) and record a protest against this disgraceful act of Inov8 CEO.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Its ‘ABC’ .Can’t show my identity here but I have worked for inov8 and left it early this year. So thats y i know a number of people there and still have good terms with most of them. I know that whole scenario but after reading lot of comments on this forum I today explicitly called and chatted a few guys who are no more with inov8 due to this issue and they have confirmed that after May they have only received one salary that of June on 30th september i.e. 29th Ramazan. They told me that they are waiting for remaining salaries and dues. When they call any one there CEO, HR, Accounts etc then they say they are planning for it but can’t give the exact date. They are saying this since first week of October but had done nothing. Inov8 have got loan in “Crores” from a bank and as per my estimate they need maximum 3-4 millions to clear the old guys. So they should do that immediately and get “Dua” from these guys and their families instead of “Bad-Dua”. So if any one from Inov8 management read this then he should advice the management of the firm to clear the dues.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hi ABC - we need to remain civil here so I had to moderate your comment slightly… no need to bring in the family or point to specific people. I think the general management or shareholders all can be notified or communicated to equally.
November 25th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Hi Osama. I dont think there is any thing un-civil in my comments. ************* MODERATED *************** they misbehave lot of times with their employess. I have spent a reasonable time with them and i know what the hell they speak with their employees. One example is that when they transferred the salaries of resources which are with them then one of them (Hasnain or Bashir) used the following words in the presence of females: “get your ass back to your work”. Is this the behaviour of a civilized person? Never ever. At the end the basic purpose to put my comments here is to convince the Inov8 management to clear all the dues of their ex employees
November 25th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
ABC - rude language doesn’t really imply anything about their family and background.
I’ve worked in the US for a good while and unfortunately language like this is often a part of the corporate culture there.
I think their use of words like that should be linked to them having worked in the US for a while.
I’ll have to moderate your commetn again - I still dont see how its fair to make assumptions about their family’s mindset or background based on just that one statement.
I’m sure you have more examples, and you can email them to me to clarify… but lets just leave this where it is on this forum.
P.S. I dont know them personally.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:00 am
this moderation idiocracy has to stop so we can really understand the matter clearly rather then the moderator stupidifying it’s mindset over the topic.
November 28th, 2008 at 12:21 am
xyz - fortunately, comment on this site is a priviledge WE provide to you since the site is owned by us.
If you dont trust our moderation, you’re welcome to go read other news sites.
I dont see how we’re obliged to break the rules of teh community just for a few peoples’ desire… the rules say no personal attacks that arent relevant to the story. Deal with it?
December 4th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Hello, the November salary of employees still working with inov8 has been transferred yesterday but not a single coin for ex employee.
December 4th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
ABC, stop being such a sissy. You’re tearing someone down at a personal level because they said, “get your ass back to work?” Big frickin deal. Maybe the employee in question should have gotten their ass back to work. I have nothing to do with inov8, but I’ve seen the employee culture at many Pakistani tech companies. In many cases employees behave as if they were passengers on the Entitlement Express. Give me a peon to go get my coffee. Give me a good looking foyer so i can invite my friends and show off. Give me respect even when i don’t deserve it. Give me a total lack of accountability for my actions, but allow me to tear other people down when I’m not getting my ass back to work.
Yeah, well, whatevva!!! I am IN NO WAY supportive of Inov8’s salary practices and the fact that they haven’t paid employees, blah blah blah. However, at the same time, I do sympathize with entrepreneurs that bust THEIR ass trying to build a business in Pk and have to deal with the china-doll, misplaced sensitivities of folks like you who think people deserve respect even when they haven’t earned it. That’s not the way it works. Try bumming around at a US startup and see how long that’ll last. Telling you to get your ass back to work will seem like a kiss on the cheek. They’ll terminate you on the spot without bothering for a second about your H1-B and get your ass out of the country, my friend.
Ever wonder why there aren’t any great product companies out of Pakistan? A big reason why is because instead of getting their ass back to work when they should, tech employees are apparently wasting their time peddling their bruised egos on discussion forums. You think you can do a better job? Go build your own company.
December 5th, 2008 at 9:24 am
@TiredOfMollyCoddling, I am surprised at the immaturity of the comment! So employees should “get their asses back to work” for bosses who don’t seem to know how to run their business and how to pay off the liabilities? I see somewhere a reference made to why it’s okay to use expressions like ‘get your ass back to work’ as it being a regular norm in the US; however stopping salaries is not a norm. And if it was US, employees would have sued the firm and it would have been out of business.
In any case, the point wasn’t the expression but the fact that they werent/arent clearing dues and then using expressions such as these to show that they have some sort of slaves working under them.
Regarding innovative products, it’s not because of the employees, it’s because of the short-sighted and unprofessional leaders that we don’t have great products. Bondage labor does not produce great products!
“.. You think you can do a better job? Go build your own company.” I have already done this and I have Alhamdo’Lillah a very successful firm and I want firms such as Innov8 out of market who are misusing the resources in a market where there is already a lack of resources!
Please stop sympathizing with unprofessional entrepreneurs who don’t know how to run a business! Also every employee and employer has a right to respect, you don’t have to “earn” it. This is the professional way of doing things. There rules of engagement that are meant to be followed by both employers and employees.
Lastly, please don’t give examples about US startups as they are not really applicable and take the entire argument out of context.
December 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Hi Buddys.
You know that inov8 has told one of their previous employees that as you were not terminated by us and resigned yourself and you were in contract period so we will not pay you salaries for 3 months….and same case is for others who left the company their self. Now some one tell them that where was your contract when these poor employees sit for lot of months without salaries…….Shame on u the owners.
December 18th, 2008 at 3:15 am
As an entrepreneur from the good ol’ Pakistan, I am saddened by the events at Inov8. I hope they can still get back on their feet soon!
I can understand the anger of the people stuck in this (from the getting paid perspective) but you need to look at the trouble the pay-masters must be going through! They are literally seeing their “baby” die here!
(baby, in the literal sense)
December 19th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Hi All,
Another news about Inov8, they offer a bonus salary to employees who will join them. This offer is made to one of my friend and he argued: Your repo is very bad right now as you have stopped 3 to 4 months salaries of employees and has not cleared them yet, how can I join you in this situation with a contract of 1 year. Can you guess what the reply of Inov8 HR was: She remain silent and could answer this question
Inov8 is doing the same bad things again to hire people on high salaries, I would recomend all pls do not join Inov8 even on double salary as they might wind up their business in 3 to 4 months or same situation will occur again.
I know management of Inov8 very well as I have worked with them
You know what Management of Inov8 thinks:
We can hire any number of resources on high pay, people will join us only for high salaries:
They think they can buy employees not hire them
Remember, this can only happens once not every time
December 20th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
inov8 owners!! ab to sharam karo … kion logon ki bad duaien le rahay ho? kion logon k paisay nai de detay?
December 21st, 2008 at 1:39 am
Latest news is one more main employee has resign and gone from inov8.the owners should close the company if they do not know how to run the company and keep people.the loan money will finish soon what will they do then?again not pay for 6 month and try find more money.
December 26th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I am a friend of one of the ex-employees of inov8 who left when inov8 did not pay its employees the salaries for few (3-4) months. And still inov8 has not cleared the salaries plus dues to employees who left at that time. Now inov8 is trying their best to blackmail those employees who were very important to them, by sending them false legal notices. Mr Hasnain Sheikh (CEO of Inov8) has come from USA but in nature he is a pure ‘UJJAD’, he has even threatened the employees that he can snatch his employees from their homes if he wants. This was the very rude an unethical behavior of the CEOs (Hasnain and Bashir) that when the development manager of Inov8 left in the start of year 2008, what he did in anger that he completely destroyed the CVS code repository of Inov8. I am very disappointed of those employees who are still working with Inov8, I will say they are equal participants in the cruelty the inov8 is doing with their employees who left them. I will recommend all IT people to avoid joining inov8 otherwise on their own risk.
December 28th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
GnW should also take note about the situation at competing companies. The news from Amaana is that they have not paid the employees for 4 months now. Saad and Osama it is your duty to your readers to get information from Amaana covered here too and get rid of the ever so evident Amaana bias that this blog has.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
BREAKING NEWS:::::::::::::::::
Some of the old employees of Inov8 have sent them a legal notice this week to clear their dues and they will file a case against them if Inov8 does not pay their dues within specified time.
BREAKING NEWS:::::::::::::::::
January 19th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Yes this news is true and i have confirmed it from inov8 that they have received the notice in the start of last week. So now what? A new game to start? I think both the parties should sit and clear the issue instead of involving in legal process. Now its upto inov8 i think.
January 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Still there is no update from Inov8 to pay the remaining amount. This is the statement of Inov8 HR Manager to those x-employees who has not sent legal notice to Inov8 “All things are final, documents are signed by Bashir and Hussnain only approval for sending documents is required from them”
Imagine still a approval is required from owners after Six months and amazing thing is that, they will send remaining amount documents not payment after six months, I recommend to all pls forward this message to all your friends
“DON’T JOIN INOV8, this can be happen with you as well”
Regards,
Bash
January 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm
:::::::::::::::::BREAKING NEWS:::::::::::::::::
INOV8 HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGER HAS RESIGNED
:::::::::::::::::BREAKING NEWS:::::::::::::::::
This is not confirmed where she is going but this news will be confirmed within two days
January 21st, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Inov8 network manager has also resigned
January 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 am
Hi all,
I have some frightening facts for you all.
Inov8 is a bull shit Company ,they hire the resource with their contract conditions that in case if some one resigns in an years he has to pay the three months salaries ,but they never fulfill their part of conttract including bonus and rise in salary…..and some poor resource resigns from inov8 due to their bad attitude they not only send him the legal notices and threatend and pressurise him but also file case against him…
Hasnain sheikh is a real shit guy and all wt is said about is more than correct.
The Father of Bashir Sheikh (Director of inov8) has been the care taker minister for Law named Maqsood Sheikh …..he is a real corrupt man who has relations with the former chief minister of Punjab ..Pervez Elahi…
In short every one should rise voice against them…..these shitters are detroying the future of our young fellows….
DO NEVER JOIN THIS COMPNAY….
RATHER EVERY ONE SHOULD TO MARK THEM AS BLACK LIST COMPNAYY….
January 23rd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Inov8 is the worse company in pak.and it will close very soon and the owners will be on streets.They deserved it.all employees please leave before your futures is damaged.
January 30th, 2009 at 12:14 am
State bank has lifted the ban on inov8 mobile genie for only atlas bank.but the service cannot run because sb said they don’t allowed to handle financial money.
January 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Inov8 HR Manager is joining CamgridgeDocs as a Assistant. She is not joining there as Manager HR
She is also looking some resources for CambridgeDocs
January 30th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Yes the CEOs Hassnain Sheikh and Bashir Sheikh both have un-mannered, harsh and third class behavior with their employees, this shows the training their parents have given them and also shows what kind of this family is (un-mannered and third class people), its a chain of corrupt people who are exploiting people of Pakistan. I curse the CEOs of Inov8 limited, I will never forgive them as they have not paid my salaries. I will try my best to spread this news to all IT people so that they should not join Inov8.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Inov8 HR has joined CambridgeDocs on 16 February 2009
February 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm
yes.moti chali gaee!
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Next hearing of case filed by Inov8 ex-employees against Inov8 for their dues is March 01 2009
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
News is that Inov8 lawyer did not appear on Monday’s (02 March) hearing. Think they are making delaying tactics. Now it shows who’s the culprit. On first 2 hearings their lawyer said that we need more time for preparation and now he did not appear in this hearing. So decide yourself. Now next hearing is on 20 March
March 11th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Inov8 has announced increments and arrears for all employees who are with Inov8..(But they have not given arrears yet) Do they think by doing this good resources will join Inov8. My answer is NO…NO….NO…..NO…..
Hussnain and Bashir, good resources will not join you until unless you clear dues of your previous employees
I am warning you to clear all pending dues of x-employees, otherwise consequences will be more than worst you can ever imagine
March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Today 20th March, forth hearing was at court and again Inov8 lawyer has not replied on the x-employees salaries to court.
Judge has asked Inov8’s lawyer, be prepared next time, otherwise decision should be against you. this is what inov8 management now doing in court too, delay delay…
new hearing is 3-April-2009
HUSSNAIN and BASHIR:
You have to pay a heavy price for not paying remaining salaries to all x-emloyees. This is a last warning, don’t take it lightly
March 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Yes, true…..they should pay salaries to old employees
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Its too much for CEOs (Hassnain and Bashir), atleast now they should pay the salaries of the ex-employees. Shame, Shame, Shame.
March 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Now Inov8 has started mailing on different forums for new hirings. Ab kis mun se loogoon ko job offer karo gay…… “….Sharam tum ko magar nahi aati”
March 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I am also one of those employees who are effected by Inov8 and also filed case against them for our payments. They are not doing right with us. They have money to pay salaries and arrears to the employees they have, the huge increment in their salaries but don’t have any thing for us. I won’t forgive them. Not only me but also my entire family have been effected by them. I can forgive if I am effected but can’t if my family is effected by them. Insha Allah we will win this case as we deserve it but I won’t still forgive them. They have to pay at the day of judgment for the tough time my family has faced due to them and still facing.
Also i would like to tell all of you to not join them as they can do it with you as well. (they say “doesn’t matter with repute we have, just offer more money than market and people will come to us).
March 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
MOBILINK - FOR GOD SAKE - STOP DEALING WITH PEOPLE LIKE HUSNAIN or COMPANIES LIKE INNOV8.
I request you on behalf of thousands of your valuable customer to terminate the contract with INNOV8. Otherwise we will be forced to stop using MOBILINK Services to register our complaint against this bad HR practice by INNOV8.
Since they have not paid the salaries to you. FILE the case in High Court to get the IP of the product because its your brain.
GUYS - ALLAH HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES - FIGHT FOR YOURSELF - FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT SO THAT NO ONE CAN DARE TO DO IT IN FUTURE.
March 30th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
First of all I feel sorry for all the developers/x-employees of inov8 on the said subject.
However, we have a couple of openings for J2ME / Blackberry developers in our firm. Our firm is a reputed organization with decades of experience in technology and outsourcing work.
I invite you guys for interview and commit a good carear path. Interested candidates can send resumes at khan.shoaib@yahoo.com
I wish you all the best in your future.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Anyone know what happened at the 3 aprl hearing?????
April 8th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Hi all,
so is there any updates further on .. ???
April 8th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I do agree with you all guys. they cheated so many people, one of my friend Shakil working as DBA, they fired him, this is not professionalism that you hire people and fire whenever you feel not pretty comfortable with the revenue you generating,
April 15th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Haseeb!
I know some people working there and also those who have left and beleive me its the nature of CEOs of Inov8 (Hasnain and Bashir Sheikh) that they have lot of pride for their wealth and think like they are feeding this world. Now you know that they are so much scared that they have forced the people working at Inov8 to sign a new contract a few months ago. This new contract is till June 2009 and it says that if employee has to leave Inov8 then he will have to give 3 months notice to them. Is not it strange and mental torture?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:24 am
As an outsider to this industry, I happened upon this thread, and all i can say is WOW! This has to be the most popular discussion thread on this site!!!!! It reads like a drama serial from Zee TV!
Who are these heroes? After reading all of this, all i can say is that how have they managed to keep going??
Doom and gloom is now a global phenomena with companies shutting down, layoffs, credit crisis, but after reading this story, no offence to people who have been laid off or left or whatever the case was, i would have to say that I would bet on these guys!!!
What are the other companies like in this industry and how are they doing?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Omar, there are companies doing very well as a matter of fact there are companies hiring vigorously at this time. the innov8 incident is not directly related to the recession, it happened due to a problem with launch of their product and banking regulations.
http://greenwhite.org/2009/03/26/growth-vs-recession-which-side-are-you-on/
May 11th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Once again salaries has been delayed at INNOV8 this month. Till this time salaries of April has not been transferred yet. What the hell it is guys…………people staying there are really senseless or really INNOCENT…………poor guys
May 11th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Inov8 Guys, only 1 day is left in the dead line you have give to management when you signed 1 year contract, as according to the verbal commitment you can leave contract if Salaries are late than 12. but the nature of those two sheik’s
THEY NEVER OWN VERBAL COMMITMENTS and written commitment too
You should be brave enough and leave this company if you have any option, otherwise you will be in same condition in which some of your colleagues are, they have almost 2 or 3 months salaries pending at Inov8 be brave and take a decision ASAP
May 15th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Hi guys,
Why dont you use Electronic & Print media to protest against inov8 for ur salaries? I think its a better option.
May 15th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Yes i think its better and effective way. But still i cant understand that how Inov8 is serviving even after making such a big injustice. I think we IT people shoud bycot Inov8 and companies like this.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:17 am
I was going to post an intelligent response to XYZ’s comment from January 22nd, 2009 at 9:37 am. However, I can’ help but respond to crudeness with crudeness. In a nutshell XYZ you are a total piece of shit….a waste of space on Earth, and if I could reach through the computer and beat the crap out of you, I would. Personally knowing both Hasnain and Bashir, I know how hard they work and how dedicated they are to making Inov8 a success. They come from VERY RESPECTABLE families and you XYZ are not even worthy of cleaning the toilets in their homes. None of you people here have any idea what it takes to start a company from scratch and build it into a sustainable profitable company. Anyone who works for Inov8 should thank their lucky stars to work in the presence of Hasnain and Bashir. They are incredibly smart and dedicated and are trying to do good things for pathetic Pakistan. Yes, it sucks that salaries are delayed but eventually things will work themselves out and everything will be ok. The annoying people that complain about delayed salaries should be thankful they have even been hired in the first place to work for such an amazing company. Hasnain and Bashir, keep up the good work….you will see the fruits of your labor very soon. I love you guys.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Hi ILOVEINOV8,
Its really shocking to read such a dirty language from you. You are defending a couple of guys about whom you claim that they belong to a very respectable families but which uncivilized and dirty language you are using to defend those respectable people. Now this shows whats your background is. I m not supporting the language used by ‘xyz’ but I can’t expect you either to use same language against the language used by ‘xyz’.
Yes I know both Hasnain and Bashir are hard working guys but unfortunately they are working only for themselves. If both of those are respectable or at least belong to a respectable families then they must have pay the salaries of those who are no more part of Innov8 because you know that these “Respectable” guys still have not paid salaries of any one left Innov8. Now who cares how miserable time has been spent by the families of those poor guys who worked their for more than 4 months without salaries? That’s not the way to treat the employees by ‘Respectable’ people.
Now I think they must pay the salaries of their old employees immediately to avoid more ‘RESPECT’.
ILOVEINOV8: Hope you won’t mind and stop supporting such people at least using such a dirty language
May 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Screw Hasnain & Bashir
June 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Hello,
LATEST UPDATES: On Friday the 5th June 2009 there was the hearing of Inov8 case. As usual Inov8 lawyer did not came. Now court has decided that in case Inov8 do not appear on next hearing on 19th June too, then court will make the one sided decision on that day.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
These people look like shame-less people and they should be punished by the law.I hope the judge order to close this company and put them in jail.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
ANOTHER LATEST UPDATE: The newly hired Sr. QA resource of Innov8 has left Innov8 last week. He told that he did not know before joining about the nature and deeds of owners and what they have done with their employees and also that few employees have filed case against them. Now Mr. Husnain and Bashir you must realize that money is not every thing for every one . Money is everything for you only ( as you always say that you will offer more money and people will join you)
June 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Any update on 19th June hearing …
June 30th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Dil tu karta hai inn donoo Hasnain aur Bashir (CEOs of Inov8) ko Regal Chowk Mall Road par nanga kar key inn ki back par chitar lagoo.
June 30th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Dil khush kar diya hai, HHH tu nain yara….yar in chawaloon kah sath aisa hi hona chayaee
June 30th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
As far as I know these people I wont even offer them the job of a sweeper because proud is only for Allah and i hate people who are proud for their wealth and social status.
June 30th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I worked at Inov8 and left and got all my dues as did most people. Hasnain and Bashir are a gift to this country and industry. Times are tough, and shit happens. So grow up.
I am sick and tired about reading this shit. To HHH for your unsavory comments, “mera dil kartha hai ke mein tujhe lun doon - woh bhi regal chowk par”. Its parasites like you who have spoilt our IT industry.
Grow up and get a life all you miserable chooths.
June 30th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
wah wah last few comments. Maulana you prickly lepricorn. Get a wife and a life.
AS kojya kalay tatay - I remember you - teri bund mein sweeper ka lun jaana chahiye - regal chowck par
Inov8 Rocks.
June 30th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Daikh Former Employee:
Tu nain tab inov8 chori ho gee jab tere maan ja kar un kah sath soyee ho gee…agar tujhay itni takleef hai tu unsubscribe kar dai….salay court main ja kar daikh kah tere maan kah yaar ka wakeel aata hai kah nahi….mera dil karta hai kah tere maan ko choodoon regal chowk pai
Salay Haha: Tere bund main laghta hai kah lohay ka danda dala huwa hai kisi nain, jo bohat purakhta hai
June 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Hi “Former Employee” and “Haha”:
You r saying this bcos u have
1. Not gone through the tough time the employees of innov8 has for more than 4-5 months and the employees terminated by them due to that financial crises are still facing and ooking for their basic right i.e. Salaries of around 4 months. They have nt yet paid a single paisa to those employees
2. you probably have nt listen the language both Husnain and Bashir (specially Hasnain) use in front of both males and females employees like “Mera kahray hain aur mujhey hee……………….” and “ get ur ass back to ur work” etc etc..
This is not the way the CEO and President of a compnay shud behave.
Also at the last every one can understand the nature of both hasnain and bashir by the language their supporters are using (“Former Employee” and “Haha”). So stop using such a dirty and uncivilized language and ask them to pay the salaries of ex-employees. If u cant do this then just keep ur mouth shut.
I would also ask others to plz comment after getting full info and use civilized words.
June 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Bush - acha thoo leh kar aaja apni maan - mobile se payment karain ge - teri maan ki phudi mein ghusain ge sab ka lun sirf do rupay fi ghasa aur teri bund mein free
It’ll be great we can make a payment from the mobile too … Maan chod ke ulad … Apnay baap se tameez se baath karo warna marwa doon ga. Waisay bhi teri maan ne itni phudi de di hai teray yaaron ko keh waqeel nahin tera baap shaid khud paisay de de teri maan ki laini keh liye … Aur too tho waisay bhi us basthi ka hai na gashti basti jahan teri maan sardarni hai … Roti mengi phudi sasthi
June 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Himat hai tu samnain aa, shoray ki ulad agar himat hai tu samnain aa aur apna naam sahi likh phir daikh teray sath kya hota hai…..kya tujhay apnain baap ka naam pata hai tu bata zara
June 30th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Osama-
This is getting ridiculous. Please intervene and moderate.
July 1st, 2009 at 12:39 pm
b - I agree - I’ve been away too long and this has gotten out of hand… will turn off commenting on this post
July 1st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I see now its ok to turn off commenting. Where you guys enjoying the slander for the last few months? Your ethics are in question here as blog holders. Or was it at the behest of a friend - a competitor of inov8.
July 1st, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Or its just that I havent really been looking after this site for the past 6 months or so - there are other editors too but you have to remember this gnw has always been a complete community-run initiative… there’s no central authority and fulltime people looking after it.
Thanks
July 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
And secondly… it doesn’t matter if you’re raising any questions because fortunately I dont answer to you.
Cheers