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	<title>Comments on: Startup Insiders continues in Islamabad &#8211; but mostly for students</title>
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		<title>By: Ibra Asghar</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9599</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibra Asghar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hummm we both agree on offering motivational speeches and practicle support. I guess the problem comes when we analyse what needs to be done, what is been done , and how it can all be done.

So according to you de SI sessions are not doing a relatively good job when it comes to providing the much needed support...The question Osama is &quot;who is ready for taking that initiative&quot;...

I know for a fact that things like these are easier said than done,and the disillusion you pointed out is a hurdle that every &quot;startup&quot; face.But what can be done to carter for that, since connecting the right people to the &quot;startup&quot; isn&#039;t probably the easiest job.

I don&#039;t think, that you industry ppl(talking generally...) also knw all the right ppl who would be interested in a particular project,bussiness,etc. It&#039;s about contacts...

I suggest ther should be some sort of forum where people coming up with new ideas can market their brilliance, and who ever from the industry is interested, can contact n provide that break.

how can that be achieved, I leave that to you smart industry people. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hummm we both agree on offering motivational speeches and practicle support. I guess the problem comes when we analyse what needs to be done, what is been done , and how it can all be done.</p>
<p>So according to you de SI sessions are not doing a relatively good job when it comes to providing the much needed support&#8230;The question Osama is &#8220;who is ready for taking that initiative&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>I know for a fact that things like these are easier said than done,and the disillusion you pointed out is a hurdle that every &#8220;startup&#8221; face.But what can be done to carter for that, since connecting the right people to the &#8220;startup&#8221; isn&#8217;t probably the easiest job.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think, that you industry ppl(talking generally&#8230;) also knw all the right ppl who would be interested in a particular project,bussiness,etc. It&#8217;s about contacts&#8230;</p>
<p>I suggest ther should be some sort of forum where people coming up with new ideas can market their brilliance, and who ever from the industry is interested, can contact n provide that break.</p>
<p>how can that be achieved, I leave that to you smart industry people. <img src='http://greenwhite.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9541</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Ibra - there are places and a need for both.

But if all we do is motivate others to start without also linking it to practical support, we are setting people up for disappointment because they will start with enthusiasm but perhaps with the wrong set of expectations. When realities hit and there is nothing to help them fall back to (just motivation) things can fall apart.

We&#039;ve been covering interesting startups consistently since August and still every day Im finding new products out on the web built by local entrepreneurs. I think the number of people doing these things fulltime are more than it might seem at the start, but a lot of them have this cool thing that they cant figure out how to make a living out of - they keep falling back into rentacoder or elance projects. The actionable support doesnt just say &quot;well create value and the money will follow&quot; it looks at their specific thing and gives them specific advice.

One generic panel cannot give specific advice unless they have been trained on analyzing different business models. 

If they&#039;re not, then the best approach is to connect them with the specific mentor from the specific industry who can provide actionable advice - perhaps a bit like what MITCEF BAP does in their process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Ibra &#8211; there are places and a need for both.</p>
<p>But if all we do is motivate others to start without also linking it to practical support, we are setting people up for disappointment because they will start with enthusiasm but perhaps with the wrong set of expectations. When realities hit and there is nothing to help them fall back to (just motivation) things can fall apart.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been covering interesting startups consistently since August and still every day Im finding new products out on the web built by local entrepreneurs. I think the number of people doing these things fulltime are more than it might seem at the start, but a lot of them have this cool thing that they cant figure out how to make a living out of &#8211; they keep falling back into rentacoder or elance projects. The actionable support doesnt just say &#8220;well create value and the money will follow&#8221; it looks at their specific thing and gives them specific advice.</p>
<p>One generic panel cannot give specific advice unless they have been trained on analyzing different business models. </p>
<p>If they&#8217;re not, then the best approach is to connect them with the specific mentor from the specific industry who can provide actionable advice &#8211; perhaps a bit like what MITCEF BAP does in their process.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibra Asghar</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9530</link>
		<dc:creator>Ibra Asghar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never attended any SI session before.Looking forward to the one tomorrow...Regarding your concern,I just wanted to say, that unfortunately in Pakistan we have these limited &quot;Professions&quot; and hardly anyone I have met thinks outside the box...

I understand the need for practicle support you are talking about but encourging more ppl to &quot;think outside the box&quot;...you are actually creating an environment where these things are much more easier to achieve.More ppl starting up...greater the pressure for growth...i hope u get my point..

with all due respect I dont see any thing is wrong with motivational talk n all.The universities and industry needs to collaborate(on all fronts) for the real growth of IT. industry of Pakistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never attended any SI session before.Looking forward to the one tomorrow&#8230;Regarding your concern,I just wanted to say, that unfortunately in Pakistan we have these limited &#8220;Professions&#8221; and hardly anyone I have met thinks outside the box&#8230;</p>
<p>I understand the need for practicle support you are talking about but encourging more ppl to &#8220;think outside the box&#8221;&#8230;you are actually creating an environment where these things are much more easier to achieve.More ppl starting up&#8230;greater the pressure for growth&#8230;i hope u get my point..</p>
<p>with all due respect I dont see any thing is wrong with motivational talk n all.The universities and industry needs to collaborate(on all fronts) for the real growth of IT. industry of Pakistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9478</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey no by all means anticipate good things from us :)

The only thing is that I dont want anyone thinking I only wrote about SI so I could promote somethign else later on... thats no ethical and not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey no by all means anticipate good things from us <img src='http://greenwhite.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The only thing is that I dont want anyone thinking I only wrote about SI so I could promote somethign else later on&#8230; thats no ethical and not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Self Exile</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9456</link>
		<dc:creator>Self Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh No No No...

Ain&#039;t it good if there are more good things in life? 

It was just my analysis. I&#039;m sorry if it is caused any problems. I wont be anticipating things now. (plz delete the previous comment)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh No No No&#8230;</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t it good if there are more good things in life? </p>
<p>It was just my analysis. I&#8217;m sorry if it is caused any problems. I wont be anticipating things now. (plz delete the previous comment)</p>
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		<title>By: Self Exile</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9455</link>
		<dc:creator>Self Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh No No No...

Ain&#039;t it good if there are more good things in life? 

It was just my analysis. I&#039;m sorry if it is caused any problems. (you said in your comment in the later post that it is an year old. How could I know by reading the post!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh No No No&#8230;</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t it good if there are more good things in life? </p>
<p>It was just my analysis. I&#8217;m sorry if it is caused any problems. (you said in your comment in the later post that it is an year old. How could I know by reading the post!)</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9437</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its good to know you&#039;re anticipating something though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its good to know you&#8217;re anticipating something though!</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9436</link>
		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sohail - are you trying to throw gasoline on an open flame?

What I said on the SI post still stands - we&#039;re still trying to see what we can do. Whatever is done will have to be done professionally because only that is fair to the expectations of startups here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sohail &#8211; are you trying to throw gasoline on an open flame?</p>
<p>What I said on the SI post still stands &#8211; we&#8217;re still trying to see what we can do. Whatever is done will have to be done professionally because only that is fair to the expectations of startups here.</p>
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		<title>By: Self Exile</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9431</link>
		<dc:creator>Self Exile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kamram, Muhammad Asif:

Do you smell &quot;another platform&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/19/green-white-no-longer-associated-with-startup-insiders/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://greenwhite.org/2008/04/01/how-to-get-your-new-university-based-product-highlighted/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kamram, Muhammad Asif:</p>
<p>Do you smell &#8220;another platform&#8221; <a href="http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/19/green-white-no-longer-associated-with-startup-insiders/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a> and <a href="http://greenwhite.org/2008/04/01/how-to-get-your-new-university-based-product-highlighted/" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Muhammad Asif</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2008/03/31/startup-insiders-continues-in-islamabad-but-mostly-for-students/comment-page-1/#comment-9400</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhammad Asif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t this dilution of the SI platform. There is no room for dilution in focus within enterpreneurship. This way SI shall soon not remain a beacon of direction and support to budding entrepreneurs but more of a literary circle. That is fine but then the positioning should be appropriated as well.

In case SI actually is taking a different direction I am sure enterpreneurs would want another platform to cater their specific needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t this dilution of the SI platform. There is no room for dilution in focus within enterpreneurship. This way SI shall soon not remain a beacon of direction and support to budding entrepreneurs but more of a literary circle. That is fine but then the positioning should be appropriated as well.</p>
<p>In case SI actually is taking a different direction I am sure enterpreneurs would want another platform to cater their specific needs.</p>
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