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	<title>Comments on: Mobile Payment Solutions &#8211; Globally and in Pakistan</title>
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	<description>Coffee Sessions for the Industry!</description>
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		<title>By: Fosia</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-129280</link>
		<dc:creator>Fosia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very glad to see these lovely and beautiful detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very glad to see these lovely and beautiful detail.</p>
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		<title>By: champ</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-6964</link>
		<dc:creator>champ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G &amp; W should realize the difference between M &amp; E Commerce. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G &amp; W should realize the difference between M &amp; E Commerce. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Coverage Of Pakistan IT Industry In UK Media : Green &#38; White</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-3112</link>
		<dc:creator>Coverage Of Pakistan IT Industry In UK Media : Green &#38; White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] which has been covered in this blog is also featured in this story as an example of innovative startup. Its Java-based mobile payment [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] which has been covered in this blog is also featured in this story as an example of innovative startup. Its Java-based mobile payment [...]</p>
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		<title>By: State of Telecom Industry in Pakistan &#187; 3G Killer App - Mobile Payments</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-1648</link>
		<dc:creator>State of Telecom Industry in Pakistan &#187; 3G Killer App - Mobile Payments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 08:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to see the uptake of this and how user issues are resolved. There are other startups as mentioned here at G&amp;W but their solutions are not widely deployed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to see the uptake of this and how user issues are resolved. There are other startups as mentioned here at G&amp;W but their solutions are not widely deployed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Dawn of E-Commerce in PK &#8212; UBL Orion (built by Techlogix) : Green &#38; White</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-1255</link>
		<dc:creator>The Dawn of E-Commerce in PK &#8212; UBL Orion (built by Techlogix) : Green &#38; White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is some concern over the protection of privately protected data, but otherwise this can turn out to be the first huge step on the path to enabling E-Commerce in Pakistan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is some concern over the protection of privately protected data, but otherwise this can turn out to be the first huge step on the path to enabling E-Commerce in Pakistan. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abbas Hayat</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbas Hayat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 07:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again.

Since the information you quote is a little outdated, itâ€™s possible you mistook one system for another. The entire transaction processing engine is 100% proprietary and has undergone independent audits to prove the same. There is no credit card machine / terminal associated with the system at this stage. What you may have seen (although I think it is highly unlikely that you did) was one of a hundred prototypes that we were trying out. 

We have always had a development team since the company was created. Yes, weâ€™ve had turnover, but only as much as any other company in the business. Our core conception, R&amp;D and Business Services teams have been solid for the last two years with the same people. 

That said, the only Malaysian encounter Inov8 had was earlier this year when our Group Head for Business Technology Services went to Langkawi for his honeymoon. :)  

And while weâ€™re on the subject, please come visit us at Lahore next time you are in town. Weâ€™ll be glad to update you with new developments and where we stand so that your future postings are based on first-hand information rather than speculation and rumor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again.</p>
<p>Since the information you quote is a little outdated, itâ€™s possible you mistook one system for another. The entire transaction processing engine is 100% proprietary and has undergone independent audits to prove the same. There is no credit card machine / terminal associated with the system at this stage. What you may have seen (although I think it is highly unlikely that you did) was one of a hundred prototypes that we were trying out. </p>
<p>We have always had a development team since the company was created. Yes, weâ€™ve had turnover, but only as much as any other company in the business. Our core conception, R&amp;D and Business Services teams have been solid for the last two years with the same people. </p>
<p>That said, the only Malaysian encounter Inov8 had was earlier this year when our Group Head for Business Technology Services went to Langkawi for his honeymoon. <img src='http://greenwhite.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>And while weâ€™re on the subject, please come visit us at Lahore next time you are in town. Weâ€™ll be glad to update you with new developments and where we stand so that your future postings are based on first-hand information rather than speculation and rumor.</p>
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		<title>By: Osama A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Osama A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I wouldn&#039;t call it proprietary if the solution involves using components from other vendors, which I know you guys were using until atleast before the dev teams were hired. -- I wont reveal anything about it except to say that the solution had a terminal device that I&#039;ve seen myself (similar to a CCard machine or Prepay machine) and a backend transaction system from a local vendor.

That might just be a difference in defining proprietary -- I know many people in Pakistan think &quot;non-proprietary&quot; means using a complete solution such as SAP and implementing it. However, I define a non-proprietary solution as one where more than 50% of the components are built from other vendors.

If that is the case, I could say I have proprietary components / configurations of the solution, but not that I have a completely indigenous product / solution. Again these can just be semantics.

Also, the last info I had about you guys you were looking to build a transaction bus for mobile networks built along with a Malaysian firm.

Ofcourse, both of this I agree is somewhat out of date as this was before they hired a large software team -- it&#039;s good to know you guys are now &#039;green&#039; and making waves with completely indigenous solutions.

Keep it going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I wouldn&#8217;t call it proprietary if the solution involves using components from other vendors, which I know you guys were using until atleast before the dev teams were hired. &#8212; I wont reveal anything about it except to say that the solution had a terminal device that I&#8217;ve seen myself (similar to a CCard machine or Prepay machine) and a backend transaction system from a local vendor.</p>
<p>That might just be a difference in defining proprietary &#8212; I know many people in Pakistan think &#8220;non-proprietary&#8221; means using a complete solution such as SAP and implementing it. However, I define a non-proprietary solution as one where more than 50% of the components are built from other vendors.</p>
<p>If that is the case, I could say I have proprietary components / configurations of the solution, but not that I have a completely indigenous product / solution. Again these can just be semantics.</p>
<p>Also, the last info I had about you guys you were looking to build a transaction bus for mobile networks built along with a Malaysian firm.</p>
<p>Ofcourse, both of this I agree is somewhat out of date as this was before they hired a large software team &#8212; it&#8217;s good to know you guys are now &#8216;green&#8217; and making waves with completely indigenous solutions.</p>
<p>Keep it going.</p>
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		<title>By: Abbas Hayat</title>
		<link>http://greenwhite.org/2007/04/25/when-cellphones-become-your-wallet/comment-page-1/#comment-939</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbas Hayat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 07:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Osama,

I happened to stumble onto this entry by accident a few days ago. Felt it necessary to point out a few things you might have been misinformed on by your source.

Firstly, Inov8 Limited did not envision distributing a &#039;credit card machine&#039; to retailers around the country. Saying that would be stealing the limelight from its state-of-the-art proprietary transaction management and processing engine that would run the devices. It wasnâ€™t JUST a credit card machine. Infact the business model almost didnâ€™t involve a &#039;card present&#039; situation.

And secondly, I mention the work &#039;proprietary&#039; because Inov8 is not working with any firms (neither Malaysian nor any other) on any of its solutions. Typical to any Pakistani solution, it is bound to rouse immediate skepticism when I say Inov8 develops its solutions indigenously and in-house. It also proudly boasts an array of solutions that are currently being evaluated and considered for launch in other countries.

I cannot disclose more on any of the solutions and what they entail at this time. Just thought it necessary to correct you when you mentioned a Malaysian firm working with Inov8. Inov8 is truly &#039;Greenâ€™ and taking anything away from it would not be acceptable.

Regards,
Abbas Hayat
Business Analyst, Inov8 Limited</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Osama,</p>
<p>I happened to stumble onto this entry by accident a few days ago. Felt it necessary to point out a few things you might have been misinformed on by your source.</p>
<p>Firstly, Inov8 Limited did not envision distributing a &#8216;credit card machine&#8217; to retailers around the country. Saying that would be stealing the limelight from its state-of-the-art proprietary transaction management and processing engine that would run the devices. It wasnâ€™t JUST a credit card machine. Infact the business model almost didnâ€™t involve a &#8216;card present&#8217; situation.</p>
<p>And secondly, I mention the work &#8216;proprietary&#8217; because Inov8 is not working with any firms (neither Malaysian nor any other) on any of its solutions. Typical to any Pakistani solution, it is bound to rouse immediate skepticism when I say Inov8 develops its solutions indigenously and in-house. It also proudly boasts an array of solutions that are currently being evaluated and considered for launch in other countries.</p>
<p>I cannot disclose more on any of the solutions and what they entail at this time. Just thought it necessary to correct you when you mentioned a Malaysian firm working with Inov8. Inov8 is truly &#8216;Greenâ€™ and taking anything away from it would not be acceptable.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Abbas Hayat<br />
Business Analyst, Inov8 Limited</p>
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